Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed! - Page 118 (2024)

Christ the night man let it go you won the game by 8 points and Cooper was weak as p!ss for what it's worth.

For the record the whingers about the shoulder should let it go and all it was accident he went for a hard hit and the fella ducked into it a yellow card and a free IMO the Small punch and the McCarthy elbow were red cards and much worse as they were deliberate and that shaved ape O Shea should have been sent off for coming on the pitch also.

Fair enough but Kilkenny ends up dropping back and slowing things down even though he is named at full forward. It is grand against teams that are terrified to press Dublin and he can do what he likes slow side to side stuff. Against other teams it has been shown up.

You are right about Con. But I was thinking Dublin football now has the problem Galway hurling had. For them everything went through Canning. For Dublin it is CK. I was thinking if you move the 'big name' to the bench it might let the younger lads express themselves a bit. I think you are spot on about the half forward line. It doesn't work right. I would say it is just a confidence thing with Con, or maybe he is jaded a fella that talented does not lose it overnight. Hopefully just two/three new energetic players in the half forward line might fix things.

I am not sure what to make of Collie Basquel could he be the answer? if Dessie got lads actually supporting him properly as he used his pace. I keep going back to that long back pass he had to do v Kildare. I thought it was shocking, it really rang alarm bells to me that something was wrong tactically.

Just on the Aidan bit at the end, I do agree he shouldn’t be there but the game was already blown up which I think a lot of people missed both on the day and when watching back on the TV because it’s not very obvious. The ref actually blew it up for the first time as soon as Diarmuid hits the ground before any of the rest of the pushing and shoving starts. You can see the ref with his arms outstretched when they show what happens to Diarmuid on the tv coverage. So while it’s not great that he as a sub ran onto the pitch (what the hell was he thinking), the game is blown up.

Another nugget that is hard to pick up on the TV that I see getting a lot of chat on various podcasts etc is Hennelly getting a second go at the 45. Again, the tv angles don’t really show it but as Robbie is running up to take it, the stupid ref is running up at him with his hand held up to stop him (I assume due to Stephen Coen still being on the pitch). I’m fully convinced the only reason he got him to retake is that he figured he distracted him himself. If you look closely at the replays, you can see the ref just coming to a stop as he kicks it.

It's well gone as far as I'm concerned

Burger, yes. Pint, no. Bars closed and no alcohol being served.

Crazy moving Kilkenny to the bench. Since the absence of Connolly in 2017 Kilkenny has stepped in all the big games. He has a better championship average than Connolly. Playing the ball backwards/sideline is deliberate tactic while opposition keep 15 behind the ball. CK plays that role well as attributes to do so. Dessie has playing him closer to goal. Why Dessie didn't pull him out the field Saturday. Agree Con played a lot of football/hurling with club county. Think Basquel needs a good few games under his belt to built up confidence for Dublin. Don't think he suited to wing forward at inter county.

Think we need to get settled midfield partner for Fenton. Howard and Jamsie prob more suited to backs. Could push Howard back to wing forward. Had high for Darren Gavin from Lucan Sarsfields but he left panel after Leinster Final. Think will see Lee Gannon, Kieran Kennedy, Lorcan O'Dell, Mark Lavin, James Doran and Liam Flatman get opportunities in league next year. Looking forward to watching club championship over next few months.

Ill-informed, downright ignorant and what a way to tar everyone with the one brush.

Dublin is this magical kingdom that us uneducated hicks are drawn to. The irony being, as soon as there is any bit of sunshine during the summer, the Dubs can't wait to get out of the Utopia themselves and are drawn to the countryside for their "holliers" (Castletown included. We look after ye well).

"Fine country men in between the milking of cows"- stereotypical nonsense that really highlights how ignorant a certain section of the Dublin fan-base are. Yourself and Strumms really don't come across well.

And insulting a place as being bypassed by a motorway is rich coming from a fella from Dublin when the entire west side of the city is straddled by the M50!

My apologies forgot to mention that game.

@castletownman

If you read the post again I said many not all so I did not tar all country people with the same brush. I have parents from the country so I am well informed of the ill-informed, as I would have spent a far bit of holidays out Whest. @glasso above would be the poster boy for the anti-Dub bias going on about 'masks slipping' and making implications on the Small family. It is fairly evident. It does not seem to be covid masks @glasso is talking about? So we also know that posters clear narrative.

Yes the 'milking the cows' comment was tongue and cheek. But it is very hard to argue against what I said in the rest of my post. Particularly when you look at some posters mindset who are converging on the Dublin thread. @Enquiring posts normally read like a copy and paste from Ewan McKenna. So we know the basis of that narrative.

For people who do not think much of the Dubs and as they say out West seem fairly 'vexed' about them, you all seem fierce interested and full of opinions on Dublin. But it mostly seems to be negative and all seems to be an outpouring because of a Dublin loss. No doubt if Dublin had won again the same tired narratives would be trotted out by the same anti-Dub posters. Which are discussed in circles into other threads without any nuance or knowledge on the ground about Dublin GAA. Yet such posters keep banging the drum.

The reality is many of Dublin's wins could have went either way. Mayo should have won in 2013 and 2016, Kerry got complacent in 2011 and got caught. Dublin could have won yesterday and should have closed it out, but for the Davy Byrne error when Dublin were fluting about. It would have been an undeserved Dublin victory.

There is a clear obsession with Dublin from a cohort of posters from other countries that is evident. A cohort not all. With backhanded compliments at best or OTT negativity at worst. Boards mirrors society. But for Dublin GAA people most other counties are just not that interesting. And it shows on boards.

I wonder would @castletownman @Enquiring or @glasso have any opinions on the upcoming Dublin Football Championship? And who do you think the players to watch out for in the coming year will be? Or maybe you would prefer to comment on the Dublin hurling and look forwards to seeing Con in full flight for Cuala?

Because since all three of the above posters now seem to be following Dublin GAA with such 'keen eyes'. And have very definite opinions on Dublin GAA

- I am sure all three of youse/ye can't wait for the Dublin Championships?

Or will the regular Dublin GAA thread posters be only blessed with such visits on this thread after a Dublin defeat?

if you think there is an obsession with dublin, check back over the years when dublin were beating mayo. facebook/twitter/every comments section was absolutely rammed with dubs commenting on every mayo article (even when dublin won), it was ridiculous. famous dublin trolls like shay healy/franno/hill 16 army on every post slating Mayo.

Mayo fans couldn't understand why they cared so much, they were winning , why bother? there was a clear obsession with mayo from dublin fans. It was very strange, kerry or tyrone never cared about who was in second place when they were on top, for us it seemed like an inferiority complex from dublin fans.

i think you suffer from an echo chamber or recency bias, you see everything one way.

I don't want to tar all city people with the one brush, as per your post. :)

What a strange attitude that you can apparently only comment on inter county Dublin football if you follow the club side of it. Do you actually hear yourself sometimes I wonder?

This is an absolutely outrageous post and I cant let it go without putting the glaring mistake right.

It's spelled Wesht, not Whest.

Now gorm, as you were my man.

I think the club championship should be a cracker this year. With the truncated intercounty season and getting knocked in the semis teams will have their best players back earlier and fitter than normal. It's also looking wide open as to a winner but the Mun look very strong in my book.

Jaysus, some of the guff is like that of a cackle of whingey cyclopean Dublin Taxi drivers parked up on a taxi rank sucking on John Player Blues and the world is all against them.

Dublin simply did have multiple players who in frustration instead of playing the game saw fit to resort to pure base-level punching, elbowing, neck clotheslining and hospitalising the man getting the hospital pass. A very bad look.

And the referees failed abjectly on the day to deal with it through lack of conviction and pure ineffectiveness.

The only hope is that the embarrassment of this happening in a marquee game will force the GAA to upgrade the officiating tools to deal with it and not appointing refs who simply don't have the temperament to apply the rules in big games.

I thought that the posters here had posted about moving on to the 2022 season? - seems like it can't be let go though?

You'll be delighted to known that gallows are being erected at hangman's corner as we speak and the culprit will be dealth with.

Refs have been an embarrassment for years now in both codes with no sign of HQ doing a tap. But let's hope there is a special taskforce set up to deal with this Dublin team. Yep, that's exactly what a game that's dying on its arse needs.

I haven't read this thread in a long long time but before anyone gets their knickers in a twist... commiserations for Saturday, it was the end of a great era. I won't even go into the 'I'm sure you'll.......' as it can grate a bit.

There has been a lot of talk since Saturday that is best ignored at this stage, but I did read this and found it interesting. Firstly, I think Dessie had an almost impossible job in one sense, how can you be 'successful' when taking over a 5-in-a-row team, how do you get them to play your type of football when they've been so accustomed to winning in a particular way. Winning is a habit and it creates habits. I think he probably knew that a change was needed but that task was an almost impossible one. It'll be much easier to get buy-in and commitment to something a bit different next year and it'll be interesting to see what happens on that front.

On the Gavin eliminating risk from the gameplan point, this is something that I found very interesting at the time and have had a good few discussions about it on this thread with some posters who I really respected...despite being Dubs ;) Now, I have absolutely no right to criticise a man who does a 5-in-a-row but I do think Jim went too conservative in his style, given the outrageous talent he had in his squads.

I always thought that his conservative style was giving us a slight chance as opposed to eliminating risk tbh.

I remember the year when Kilkenny was turned into this 'superstar playmaker' and RTE et al couldn't get enough of his performances... that switch was a serious change in Dublin's style and while he was indeed a very good playmaker, you had a situation where probably the most dangerous forward in the country at the time, was barely making a kick pass let alone taking on a shot. It was something I couldn't get my head around at the time but you can't argue with the results. But I do think it was a worrying sign and has gradually lead to where Dessie is today with the team.

Any talk of Dessie leaving shouldn't be tolerated imo, he has a chance now to put a bit more of his own stamp on the team and deserves that.

Thankfully there have been next to no calls for Dessie to step aside. I think regardless of the mentality Jim left, Dessie made some key mistakes this year, maybe due to shortened season, I'm not sure. He pushed Kilkenny up and Con back while dropping Howard into a deeper midfield role. The link up play just wasn't there all year. There was nobody in their to tie the forwards together or provide some direct running at defenses. McCarthy in the middle with Fenton had a really good balance IMO as McCarthy doesn't have the wheels for the halfback role anymore.

I've said it before but this should be a great learning experience for Dessie in almost the complete opposite way to Jim's defeat to Donegal. We were far to passive and had the game ready for the taking at the start of the second half but went into retreat mode.

If we agree with you, will you give it a rest?

It's not agreeing with me that's the issue. No matter what county is involved, the sort of challenge that has left a player with a broken jaw shouldn't be excused or worse, praised.

Grand so.

What about all the talk of the unrest in the Dublin camp and unhappiness with Farrell? Is that just nonsense or is their something to it?

Fair play Parlance. I think you're the first Mayoman to come in here without guns firing. First to commiserate too i make it. The 6 in row obviously cut to the core of a lot of people.

I think there's a happy medium to be found. There's no doubt the Dublin patience can yield scores against massed defences but the game does have to be varied. Gavin's team did that reasonably well i think. Dublin had plenty of opportunity to lob ball into the square last Saturday and didn't take that option until the game was up. Con and Kilkenny are strong men capable of winning ball and they're lethal close in if they get their hands on it. Hennelly can sometimes make poor decisions too. It was a no brainer going into the match for me.

Dessie will need big balls going into next summer. For the good of the squad he needs to freshen things up. Hopefully the new lads will take to it and put their own stamp on the team.

Horan has done that brilliantly with Mayo btw. O'Shea might still be the captain but himself and Keegan now compliment the younger lads. A new core group are to the fore. It's astonishing really how quickly he's achieved that because it's not easy. He did it in his first stint too.

I think there's a few ahead of raheny imo.